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greg_m I live here.

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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That makes no sense whatsoever from a technical perspective. The XM satellites are always in equatorial orbit, so there is no north/south difference in signal between the two satellites.
It's true that as you go farther north of the equator, the signal becomes somewhat weaker, and since the look angle is lower, there can be more problems with blockage from tall obstacles. But that's equally true of both satellites. Even if only one satellite were transmitting, the north/south coverage in the continental US would be adequate.
Perhaps, since the signal (from both satellites) is more easily received closer to the equator, they wanted to let that geographic area subscribe first, to be sure there weren't any unknown problems with coverage. Coverage could especially be an issue in large northern cities, where tall buildings can create big dead zones. That problem was ultimately solved by using terrestrial repeaters, but maybe those weren't up and running as of "day one."
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Ryan Site Admin


Joined: 14 Aug 2002 Posts: 48154 Location: St Louis, MO 
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| hallebman wrote: | | i thought xm started broadcasting to the southern half of the united states on september 11th 2001 and in november 2001 they activated the north something to do with the original 2 sattelites that went up ROCK and ROLL names. i saw a ad in the los angeles times in the summer of 2001 that stated these dates. |
That has absolutely nothing to do with the satellites. They first launched in San Diego and Dallas because they were test markets. Companies use test markets all the time to work out any kinks before a national launch. They launched nationally a month and a half later. _________________ The one and only, XMFan.com!
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hallebman Loved Xm radio Rest In Peace , KILL SIRIUS

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| were they using sattelites to just these 2 cities? how is that possible? |
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greg_m I live here.

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| hallebman wrote: | | were they using sattelites to just these 2 cities? how is that possible? |
Actually, just large helium-filled balloons, tethered about 5 miles up. |
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Ryan Site Admin


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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| hallebman wrote: | | were they using sattelites to just these 2 cities? how is that possible? |
It's possible because when you called to activate your radio, if you did not have a billing address in one of those two cities, they told you sorry we cannot activate your radio right now. _________________ The one and only, XMFan.com!
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hallebman Loved Xm radio Rest In Peace , KILL SIRIUS

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| oh okay i guess that makes sense now. becuase i know its not easy to just send a signal to certain area its probably possible but not used |
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greg_m I live here.

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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It's certainly not possible to make a signal cut off abruptly at an arbitrary geographic boundary, like a state line or city limits, especially when it's transmitted from a satellite 22,300 miles high.
So, when you hand in your term paper, will you list xmfan.com in the footnotes? |
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Ryan Site Admin


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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| greg_m wrote: | | It's certainly not possible to make a signal cut off abruptly at an arbitrary geographic boundary, like a state line or city limits, especially when it's transmitted from a satellite 22,300 miles high. |
At least not with SiriusXM's satellites. There is spotbeam satellite technology which allows them to broadcast to a small area. Dish Network and DirecTv use this technology. This allows them to use the same spectrum to broadcast different channels to different areas. No reason to broadcast the Kansas City local channels to the entire country when they are only wanted and sold in a small area of the country.
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greg_m I live here.

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| This son of a b**ch just deleted my entire message while I was in the midst of typing a word, and refreshed the page. WTF, over? |
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thejfinsocal Average Listener

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I paid $299 for a lifetime Sirius in the early days (I think). Something like 8 1/2 years ago - what a bargain. Have yet to pay the $75 transfer fee but I have changed radios once about 5 years ago. |
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greg_m I live here.

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I paid $399.99 for Sirius lifetime in Feb. 2008. My recollection is that I was in a hurry to sign up because they had announced an impending price increase, but I can't document that.
I paid the same price for XM lifetime in March 2009. That was the deadline to lock in and get free streaming as part of the package.
I'd say these were both good investments, except that the sound quality has deteriorated so much that I can't stand to listen to either one of them now. I'm praying that when the bandwidth is merged and 2.0 is fully implemented, the audio quality will improve and I'll be able to use my subscriptions again. But I won't gamble any more money on it, that's for sure. |
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thndrstm Frequent Listener

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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Any suggestions on what to do with my lifetime when I eventually get a new car? Any way to swap the current radio into it? Is streaming through a phone going to an answer as currently there are interruptions in the stream? |
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goreds2 Super XM Fan


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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| thndrstm wrote: | | Any suggestions on what to do with my lifetime when I eventually get a new car? | You could sell it to me.  _________________ **Cut down south facing tree to receive better XM signal in my house* (2005)
- XM SKYBOX (In son's bedroom)
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greg_m I live here.

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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| thndrstm wrote: | | Any suggestions on what to do with my lifetime when I eventually get a new car? Any way to swap the current radio into it? Is streaming through a phone going to an answer as currently there are interruptions in the stream? |
From your question, I'm assuming that your lifetime subscription is on your car radio. From what I've seen in the TOS and discussion here, that subscription can not be transferred to another radio. However, I think you can possibly transfer that subscription/radio to a different owner.
I believe some "car receivers" are actually separate modular units that are tucked away somewhere in the vehicle and plugged into the vehicle's digital wiring harness. In that case, if your new car is the same make and has a compatible harness, you might be lucky enough to locate the module and swap it into your new car. (I used to know a guy who was going to swap the XM module from his Envoy to his Vette, but I don't know if he actually did it.)
Aside from that, you have two options.
If I were in your shoes, and wanted to keep the subscription, I would take the radio out of the car. If it fits in your new car, great. If you're a real die-hard, modify the dashboard and change the wiring harness as necessary. Or else put it in a nice cabinet, add a power supply, and use it as a home radio.
Otherwise, if you at least want to reclaim your investment, sell the radio/subscription with the car but as a separate item. (Give the buyer to get the car for $x.xx price with an after-market radio, or get the car for $y.yy with the subscribed XM radio.) |
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Peremensoe Average Listener

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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| greg_m wrote: | | From your question, I'm assuming that your lifetime subscription is on your car radio. From what I've seen in the TOS and discussion here, that subscription can not be transferred to another radio. However, I think you can possibly transfer that subscription/radio to a different owner. |
The lifetime sub is really tied to the hardware, not the owner. Just make the lifetime satrad a selling point for the car, and charge a couple hundred bucks extra. Make sure your buyer knows how to refresh. |
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