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TheGunslinger
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 Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: Drunken Murderer was also white-collar thief... |
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| Quote: | Accused G.I. ‘Snapped’ Under Strain, Official Says
By ERIC SCHMITT and WILLIAM YARDLEY
Published: March 15, 2012
WASHINGTON — The American staff sergeant suspected of killing 16 Afghan villagers had been drinking alcohol — a violation of military rules in combat zones — and suffering from the stress related to his fourth combat tour and tensions with his wife about the deployments on the night of the massacre, a senior American official said Thursday.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/world/asia/suspect-in-afghan-attack-snapped-us-official-says.html?
I want you anti marijuana types to take a close look here.
Some of the finest landrace strains of marijuana like Afghan, Kush, and Indica, are present in this war theater, and some seeds have made it back to the good ole US of A: it's too damn bad this drunk wasn't a stoner is all I can say...
No one ever smokes pot and goes on a shooting spree, (unless they have been drinking first  ); so I hope someday soon you will see that a society that promotes alcohol while it persecutes it's citizens for using a non-lethal drug to seek escape that does not carry one tenth the baggage of drunkeness.
And don't tell me that drunks aren't seeking escape from reality: all recreational drug use falls into one or two catergories, 1) addiction and/or 2) wanting to feel good.
If you drink or do drugs for acceptance you are an idiot and are not worth contemplating at this point in the debate. 
I woke up this morning and I could barely keep from yelling out in pain for the first 10 minutes; most mornings are similar with degree of ache being the only real variable for me any longer.
Then I took 4 or 5 tokes off a 'roach' and was able to cope reasonably well almost immediately after.
There are legitimate medical uses for pot.
The only legitimate reason to use alcohol as medicine is to keep an alcoholic alive during withdrawl or to keep him/her from drinking Sterno or shoe polish to feed that addiction.
Now think about what you are doing as the steam flies out of your ears because I have the audacity to compare a drunk in a war zone to a pothead
in
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Stop the war on your neighbors - It's time to give Americans a safer alternative to alcohol - The war on drugs is literally killing U.S.
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TheGunslinger
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: |
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How long is a deployment?
Says in the article that this drunk was on his 4th deployment in a war zone since 2001.
Also says 'he was a career military man'; one with a 'drinking problem' no doubt...
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“When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues — he just snapped,” said the official, who has been briefed on the investigation and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the soldier has not yet been formally charged.
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I've been on deployment in the U.S.A. theater since 1969.
It's been a real bitch for my side.
The U.S.A. has won every major battle.
But they are losing the war and have no hope of ever winning it.
I never do anything illegal.
Don't even jaywalk. 
Now that I have a medical marijuana card I find no need whatsoever to break any law.
But if you ever need someone to call 911 for you; it won't be me.
Sorry. This is war.
All is fair in ...
War is Hell.
Cliche is cliche.
I can't risk it.
If you are kidnapped, raped, starved, beaten, or murdered: I can't help you man.
In fact I don't know many potheads who would.
This is war man.
Deal with it.
It's U.S. against Them, and we are all It.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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When I read the thread title I thought it was about Ted Kennedy. 
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| This guy did nothing wrong, he was killing Muslims!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| theawfulwaffle wrote: | | This guy did nothing wrong, he was killing Muslims! |
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TheGunslinger
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Waymore wrote: | | theawfulwaffle wrote: | | This guy did nothing wrong, he was killing Muslims! |
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mmm Blueberry.
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| Waymore wrote: | | Insert Stupid Picture |
What, there have been plenty of comments from this board about how that region should just burn up and be gone.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| theawfulwaffle wrote: | | This guy did nothing wrong, he was killing Muslims! |
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TheGunslinger
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:19 am Post subject: |
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The drunks name is Bales, and he has a track record...
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In 2007, Bales was part of a long, bloody battle in southern Iraq in which 250 enemy fighters were killed and 81 were wounded while members of Bales’s unit suffered no casualties, according to an Army account that described the battle as “apocalyptic.”
“I’ve never been more proud to be a part of this unit than that day,” Bales was quoted as saying. “We discriminated between the bad guys and the noncombatants and then afterward we ended up helping the people that three or four hours before were trying to kill us. I think that’s the real difference between being an American as opposed to being a bad guy, someone who puts his family in harm’s way like that.”
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Of heroism and drunkeness...
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Government officials, in some news reports, have said Bales may have been drinking on the night of the shootings and was agitated by marital problems at home. Browne disputed that, saying the reports were “very offensive.” The couple had financial problems but nothing severe, he said, adding that they had “a very strong marriage.”
Family members of Bales could not be reached for comment Friday night.
While living outside Tacoma, Bales had brushes with the law, according to court records and news accounts. In 2002, he was charged with misdemeanor criminal assault, according to the Tacoma News Tribune. The charge was dismissed after he paid a $300 fine and completed an anger management assessment, the newspaper reported.
Then in 2008, witnesses told police they saw him running from a single-car rollover, the newspaper reported.
Witnesses told the News Tribune they saw a “white man wearing military style uniform, shaved head and bleeding” running into the woods. Bales later told a police officer that he had fallen asleep while driving. Bales received a 12-month deferred sentence and paid a fine of $250 and the charges were dismissed, according to the report.
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Complete with apologists...
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“There are plenty of service members with stress and trauma who are drinking and self-medicating every day to deal with their conditions, and they don’t go out and gun down a bunch of women and children,” said Josh Renschler, the director of Men of Valor, a service member support group.
He argued that while bouts of rage can be caused by traumatic brain injuries or post-traumatic stress disorder, they alone are not sufficient to explain killing of this magnitude.
Jonathan Shay, a clinical psychiatrist and author who was awarded a MacArthur “genius grant” for his work with veterans, wondered about the soldier’s relationship with the Special Operations forces — which can be very standoffish to outsiders — that he was attached to at a remote outpost in Afghanistan. “To me this is a presumptive case of leadership failure,” he said. “Whoever was directly responsible for this soldier did not do his job in the sense of getting to know him.”
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/soldier-accused-in-afghan-shooting-spree-could-return-to-us-friday/2012/03/16/gIQAauMSGS_story.html
War is Hell.
It detroys everything everyone is fighting for.
Stop the war on your neighbors. 
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I wonder if we are getting the whole story about this soldier.
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TheGunslinger
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: Drunken Logic and the Spiders from Mars |
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No we are not - yet.
Here's more:
| Quote: | Afghan Murder Suspect Bales 'Took My Life Savings,' Says Retiree
By BRIAN ROSS and MEGAN CHUCHMACH | ABC News – 21 hrs ago
Robert Bales, the staff sergeant accused of massacring Afghan civilians, enlisted in the U.S. Army at the same time he was trying to avoid answering allegations he defrauded an elderly Ohio couple of their life savings in a stock fraud, according to federal documents reviewed by ABC News.
"He robbed me of my life savings," Gary Liebschner of Carroll, Ohio told ABC News.
Financial regulators found that Bales "engaged in fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, churning, unauthorized trading and unsuitable investments," according to a report on Bales filed in 2003. Bales and his associates were ordered to pay Liebschner $1,274,000 in compensatory and punitive damages but have yet to do so, according to Liebschner.
"We didn't know where he was," Liebschner told ABC News. "We heard the Bahamas, and all kinds of places."
Liebschner says he recognized Bales after news reports named him as the American soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers in a shooting rampage.
Liebschner filed a complaint against Bales in May 2000, claiming Bales took his life savings of $852,000 in AT&T stock and through a series of trades reduced its value to nothing.
The Ohio retiree recalled Bales as a "smooth talker." Asked if he regarded Bales as a con man, Liebschner said, "You've hit the nail on the head."
At the time, Bales worked for an Ohio brokerage firm, MPI.
According to federal documents, Bales failed to appear at an arbitration hearing to resolve Liebschner's complaint.
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http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-murder-suspect-bales-took-life-savings-says-223934030--abc-news.html
This guy was under a lot of pressure as his present and his past collided and so maybe he figured rather go from war hero to poor thief in one fell swoop he would just end it all.
The pressure was really starting to get to him; he knew sooner or later they were going to catch up with him.
So maybe he decides to pop open one of those bottles he smuggled in...this time he promised himself he would maintain control no matter what...one bottle leads to another bottle, and now that his drinking buddies are sleeping it off he can't see himself waking up in the morning...
No, I mean Yes! I'm going to be shamed anyway - maybe they will claim I went crazy - whatever - it doesn't matter anymore...burp...I'm going to ...burp...and then burn them just to piss them off...burp...
It's not fair what they have done to me...Spiderman ...spiderman becoming a spider as fast as I can...
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handsoff
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| Wow Slinger, you are getting as bad as waffle when it comes to bashing the military. Are you sure you two were not separated at birth?
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It's only a wonder it hasn't happened much more, over there and over here:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/feb/24/veterans-suicide-rate-reflects-echoes-war/
| Quote: | Repeated exposure to extreme stress, like the kind soldiers experience in war, can change your brain chemistry. Symptoms include extreme anxiety and watchfulness to the point of paranoid delusions, nightmares and sleeplessness, rage, depression and an inability to form close relationships. The symptoms can be treated with medication and counseling, but there’s no cure for altered brain chemistry. Veterans suffering from PTSD often self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, which can accelerate the downward spiral.
The VA estimates that a veteran takes his or her own life every 80 minutes — 6,500 suicides per year. That’s 20 percent of all suicides in the United States |
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TheGunslinger
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| handsoff wrote: | | Wow Slinger, you are getting as bad as waffle when it comes to bashing the military. Are you sure you two were not separated at birth? |
Are you fucking stupid?
That's not a rhetorical question.
My Father died in VietNam.
I know all about war heros and drunks and apologists.
This thread is about how our society will apologize for this mans actions because his stress under the influence of alcohol caused him to go crazy.
I guaren fucking tee you that if had just smoked a joint before he went on his killing spree the apologists would be blaming the pot, and pointing to his past trangressions to show what a creep he really was.
Thing is that isn't going to happen.
No one smokes pot and goes on a shooting spree.
Even those of US in the war zone we call home.
There's a war on drugs.
MILLIONS of your neighbors, many of them Veterans, are persecuted every year in the US and some lose their life in the process to guys like Bales.
Guys like Bales who served in the military and found sancturary amid a bunch of other drunks serving in the war on drugs.
Guys like Bales who come home and become cops.
No other profession welcomes drunks quite like law enforcement.
Bales is an alcoholic who was apologized for until it seems no one could apologize for him any longer, and yet some still do.
He stole money from old people and beat up his girlfriend and crashed his car and ran away and was even caught for a DUI before the Court let him work 20 days to clear his record.
In the middle of all that he joined the military and they didn't see anything wrong here because society enabled this fuck all the way to mass murder during a binge.
The same society spends BILLIONS every year hunting down pot smokers and passes final judgement on their own children caught with a joint as worthless from that point forward and they are not ever eligible for a college loan.
You throw away your children and enable the drunk.
And you think I'm crazy.
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| TheGunslinger wrote: | | handsoff wrote: | | Wow Slinger, you are getting as bad as waffle when it comes to bashing the military. Are you sure you two were not separated at birth? |
Are you fucking stupid?
That's not a rhetorical question.
My Father died in VietNam.
I know all about war heros and drunks and apologists.
This thread is about how our society will apologize for this mans actions because his stress under the influence of alcohol caused him to go crazy.
I guaren fucking tee you that if had just smoked a joint before he went on his killing spree the apologists would be blaming the pot, and pointing to his past trangressions to show what a creep he really was.
Thing is that isn't going to happen.
No one smokes pot and goes on a shooting spree.
Even those of US in the war zone we call home.
There's a war on drugs.
MILLIONS of your neighbors, many of them Veterans, are persecuted every year in the US and some lose their life in the process to guys like Bales.
Guys like Bales who served in the military and found sancturary amid a bunch of other drunks serving in the war on drugs.
Guys like Bales who come home and become cops.
No other profession welcomes drunks quite like law enforcement.
Bales is an alcoholic who was apologized for until it seems no one could apologize for him any longer, and yet some still do.
He stole money from old people and beat up his girlfriend and crashed his car and ran away and was even caught for a DUI before the Court let him work 20 days to clear his record.
In the middle of all that he joined the military and they didn't see anything wrong here because society enabled this fuck all the way to mass murder during a binge.
The same society spends BILLIONS every year hunting down pot smokers and passes final judgement on their own children caught with a joint as worthless from that point forward and they are not ever eligible for a college loan.
You throw away your children and enable the drunk.
And you think I'm crazy. |
Link or it didn't happen.
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