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handsoff
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 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:41 am Post subject: usc is the top rated team? |
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what kind of baloney is that? so texas beats the crap out of number 4 ohio (in ohio) and number 10 texas tech but they are still number two in the polls? i guarantee, i double, no, triple guarantee that usc will be the top ranked team in the bcs, just because they are ranked number one. what kind of b.s. is that?! texas beat a number 4 and 10 team but usc beats other teams ranked lower but yet gets ranked higher (even in points according to the bcs poll) which is a bunch of baloney. how are national champs supposed to be judged to their performance even though the curently no. 1 ranked team is barely edging out the competition while the no. 2 team is killing the opponent, but yet stay at number 2 in the rankings?
"f" the bcs rankings.
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PNEDS
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: To be the man...... |
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To be the man you got to beat the man.
USC has beaten Notre Dame, Oregon, and Arizona State.
Texas has beaten Ohio State, Texas Tech and Colorado.
USC has Cal, Fresno State, and UCLA left on the Schedule.
Texas has Texas A&M.
If both teams win out they will decide it on the field.
| Quote: | | how are national champs supposed to be judged to their performance even though the curently no. 1 ranked team is barely edging out the competition while the no. 2 team is killing the opponent, but yet stay at number 2 in the rankings? |
USC had Two Close games against good teams
A win over ND 34-31.
And a win over ASU 38-28.
Texas had one close game
A 24-21 win over Ohio State.
IMHO, USC has played a tougher schedule and will play a tougher schedule the rest of the way.
I haven't seen Texas Tech Play this year NOR will I watch them.
During a bowl game against Navy (Post 9/11 in a time of War), they thought it was appropriate to yuck it up with the "Football is a bomb and let it explode in a huddle" endzone dance. Classy program.
I do agree that the BCS is VERY FLAWED. But I disagree with Statement about Texas deserving the #1. |
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SamC
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:47 am Post subject: |
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The Pac 10 is a good conference.
The SEC is a great conference. The center of the college football world.
There is no way on earth that any team winning the SEC Championship undefeated is not #1. If the BcS AGAIN excludes such a team, the SEC should withdraw from the BcS and simply play the best available team in the Sugar Bowl as it did for 100 years. |
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doodahlight
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:39 am Post subject: Re: usc is the top rated team? |
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| handsoff wrote: | | "f" the bcs rankings. |
I totally agree with that. Look at when Ohio state won the National championship. The BCS rankings were all f'd up then and they have been ever since.
How in the hell do you split a national championship? Still trying to figure that one out.
BTW, 3 pionts is not killing Ohio State. Unfortunatly, Ohio State beat Ohio State, Texas just happened to get the "W".
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handsoff
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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it seems like texas and usc are going to be meeting at the rose bowl.
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doodahlight
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That would be an awesome bowl game, plus then we'd find out who really is #1.
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| doodahlight wrote: | | That would be an awesome bowl game, plus then we'd find out who really is #1. |
If V Tech ran the table, wouldnt they have earned a shot as well as beating UM and most likey FSU
BCS is BS, I demand a playoff
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: USC come off it |
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| When USC quarteback only class in ballroom dancing , something stinks with college sports . SI latest issue brought up that fact Wizard22 |
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Everyone knows LSU is #1.
Just keep shoving them ahead of undefeated teams. It makes sense.
5-1, and still only a spot behind all those 7-0 teams  Played three currently ranked teams ... lost to one, beat Florida by four, and Auburn by three in OT.
But they're "America's Team" for the month (someone has to be, and the Saints suck  ), so let's keep 'em up there.
They have ONE ranked team left on their schedule. And Appalachian State doesn't even have a link on the FoxSports website >=)
LSU's coastin' to the top. |
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PNEDS
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: Don't hate the player....hate the game. |
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| Wizard22 wrote: | | When USC quarteback only class in ballroom dancing , something stinks with college sports . SI latest issue brought up that fact Wizard22 |
I agree that this is "UNFAIR". But it is WELL with in the rules.
He meets his requirements, he plays football.
I grew up in a small town. We had a guy go to the pros. After the bowl game, he was never seen on campus again. Didn't take finals, didn't even clean out his locker. Went to Arizona to workout. VERY COMMON.
Its not about school.
Matt Leinart will graduate. He worked the system where all he has left is one elective. Sounds like a smart guy to me.
Most /student athletes take summer school and take a light schedule during the season. Does Leinart need to work towards a masters?
I Do agree that College sports (College Football) needs a face lift.
The BSC makes it unfair, with revenues and recruiting.
How many Non-BCS schools can Grey Shirt a Blue Chip Athlete?
But I actually applaude Matt Leinart.
He could have split to the NFL and the Money but decided to be loyal to his school (And the Money.....joke). |
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That Don Guy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: USC come off it |
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| Wizard22 wrote: | | When USC quarteback only class in ballroom dancing , something stinks with college sports. |
As opposed to what - Matt taking graduate school courses, only to drop out of the program after one year? It's not as if he can play forever - once you start college, you have five calendar years to complete your eligibility (the only time the clock stops is when you are on a religious mission (the "BYU rule") or on duty in the armed forces, or if you leave school and then play in Division II or III). Nobody minded much when Napoleon McCallum needed permission from the Pentagon to be the first Naval Academy midshipman to be allowed to take a fifth year.
As for some of the other questions:
"How do you have two champions" - easy; the NCAA bylaws say you can. (In fact, you can have more than two. However, there isn't a rule preventing any I-A football team from calling themselves "national champions", as long as they don't give the players anything. Only "recognized unofficial national champions" (defined as the BCS champion and any team named champion by "a national wire-service poll") may give their players awards of some sort.)
"Why doesn't (for example) the SEC just drop out of the BCS" -mainly because the BCS has the major bowls locked up with contracts, so the SEC would not get into the Sugar Bowl.
"Why not have a playoff" - trust me, the number of games teams would play has nothing to do with it (nobody minds that the two I-AA finalists play 14 games each). The main problem is: who gets the money? A playoff would be organized and controlled by the NCAA, so there would be none of this "divide most of the bowl money among the six BCS conferences and throw some crumbs at the others like the WAC" stuff they do now.
(Also, if there is a playoff, no schools could say, "We don't want to be in your playoff; we'll have our own national championship, thank you very much" - the "Marquette Rule" (after Marquette's basketball team turned down an NCAA tournament birth in 1970 or so to play in the NIT, the NCAA passed a rule saying, "If you are selected to be in one of our post-season tournaments and you decline, then your season ends when your regular season ends") applies to all sports (Georgia Southern learned this one the hard way a few years ago when they could not be in the Heritage Bowl as they were selected to be in the NCAA I-AA football tournament), and any violation probably results in something like, "If you don't like playing by our rules that much, then don't bother showing up for any of our other championships for a year, and don't expect any of the basketball contract money either.")
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handsoff
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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i know that this isn't a long term thing but at least it is a little bit of hope to see some sort of rationality on the standings, even though we know the bcs is a total crock.
texas is on top of the bcs standings
Texas passes USC in BCS standings
By Eddie Timanus, USA TODAY
Southern California and Texas remain on course to meet in the Rose Bowl for the national championship, but their order in the Bowl Championship Series rankings has changed.
Texas took over the lead by the slimmest of margins, 0.0007 points, in the BCS rankings released Monday.
The Longhorns' victory against previously unbeaten Texas Tech enabled them to edge ahead of the Trojans in the computer rankings. Though USC remained No. 1 in both human polls used by the BCS, the USA TODAY coaches' poll and the Harris Interactive rankings, the Trojans' win against Washington, which has only one win, hurt its schedule strength in the computer ratings.
USC will likely regain the lead if both teams run the table.
The Trojans have two BCS top-25 teams, No. 6 UCLA and No. 23 California, on their schedule, while the Longhorns have none.
No. 3 Virginia Tech is 0.0591 points behind USC, but the Hokies play No. 14 Boston College and No. 7 Miami (Fla.) and could meet No. 10 Florida State in the Atlantic Coast Conference championship game.
Georgia and Alabama are next, holding their spots from last week. UCLA moved up three places to sixth, putting the nation's six unbeaten teams at the front of the BCS standings.
Miami, LSU, Penn State and Florida State round out the top 10.
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Right or wrong, the bottom line is that as long as USC and Texas run the table then they are going to be considered the two best teams (no matter who else is undefeated) by the majority of people and will play in the Rose Bowl.
FWIW, I will be hoping for every team that can to remain undefeated to further screw with this horrible system.
All the more reason for a playoff. |
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handsoff
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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well said rude. i totally agree with you.
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| rude wrote: | Right or wrong, the bottom line is that as long as USC and Texas run the table then they are going to be considered the two best teams (no matter who else is undefeated) by the majority of people and will play in the Rose Bowl.
FWIW, I will be hoping for every team that can to remain undefeated to further screw with this horrible system.
All the more reason for a playoff. |
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