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AnonymousXM Average Listener


Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Washington DC 20024-3129 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: ROYALTY FEE! WILL BE ADDED FOR CONSUMER ACC. & FLEET |
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sadly there will be royalty feethis coming july 15 2009 for consumer and fleet acc. i wonder what will be the reactions of the xm subs. and sirius too!
i want to hear your thoughts! thnks!! |
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AnonymousXM Average Listener


Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Washington DC 20024-3129 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: here it is guys! |
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The US Music Royalty Fee will be applied to all music subscriptions that SIRIUS XM offers. The
fee will be implemented on July 29th, 2009. The existing Subscriber base will receive this fee
on their first billing after this date. The fee will be applied to all satellite plans with music content
on a Monthly, Quarterly, Semi-Annual and all Annual Savings Plans. Lifetime Subscribers, who
have purchased prior to July 29th, will never receive the US Music Royalty Fee. Since the online
products are not satellite based they will not incur the U.S. Music Royalty Fee. Once the fee is
introduced on July 29th, any new activation or conversion will include the fee. As we go through
this training, you will gain a better understanding of how this fee is applied and how to explain it
to the Subscribers. We will be going through different scenarios so you can understand why we
are passing this fee onto our Subscribers, how to diffuse irate Subscribers, and how the
Subscriber can truly benefit by adding longer term plans.  |
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Ryan Site Admin


Joined: 14 Aug 2002 Posts: 24291 Location: St Louis, MO 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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You can't really blame SiriusXM for that one. That's our lovely congress along with the greedy record companies and the RIAA, ASCAP/BMI who imposed the new, higher rates that XM is forced to pay.
The past two years, they were paying 6% of gross revenues as their royalty rate. This year it went up to 6.5%, next year 7%, 7.5% in 2011, and 8% in 2012 when the rates expire.
Does your training info happen to tell you the amount the rate will be? If XM is simply passing on the extra cost to the customer, it should be a 0.5% fee each month (6.4 cents). If it's any higher for the rest of 2009, they are actually cashing in on the new fees. _________________ The one and only, XMFan.com!
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AnonymousXM Average Listener


Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Washington DC 20024-3129 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: here they are! |
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Subscriptions at a rate of $12.95 will be charged a $1.98 monthly, for the US Music
Royalty Fee
Subscriptions with multiple radios will be charged $0.97 monthly, for the US Music
Royalty Fee
Mostly Music plans at $9.99 will be charged a US Music Royalty Fee of $1.53.  |
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Ryan Site Admin


Joined: 14 Aug 2002 Posts: 24291 Location: St Louis, MO 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: here they are! |
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| AnonymousXM wrote: | Subscriptions at a rate of $12.95 will be charged a $1.98 monthly, for the US Music
Royalty Fee
Subscriptions with multiple radios will be charged $0.97 monthly, for the US Music
Royalty Fee
Mostly Music plans at $9.99 will be charged a US Music Royalty Fee of $1.53.  |
Can you post a screenshot of your training data? I would love to see this all in writing. _________________ The one and only, XMFan.com!
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AnonymousXM Average Listener


Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Washington DC 20024-3129 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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those on the lifetime service and TALK.NEWS. ETC ch. 99 will not be affected of MRF (music Royalty fee)
yeah your right we cant blame XM they are just doing what needs to be done for both companies to survive! |
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AnonymousXM Average Listener


Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Washington DC 20024-3129 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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ill be right back i need to download all of it check it after 15 minutes ill post every thing!!
thanks  |
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maxx2002 I live here.


Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 1130 Location: Oakland, Sacrameto, Stockton Ca, Los Angeles and sometimes Albuquerque/Santa Fe. NM 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| AnonymousXM wrote: | those on the lifetime service and TALK.NEWS. ETC ch. 99 will not be affected of MRF (music Royalty fee)
yeah your right we cant blame XM they are just doing what needs to be done for both companies to survive! |
I think that most of us who do enjoy the service, won't even notice this (music Royalty fee), but, I'd agree to it, so, no big woop....... _________________ * XMP3 * XM EVERYTHING |
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AnonymousXM Average Listener


Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Washington DC 20024-3129 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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US Music Royalty Fee Overview
As an ongoing part of our business, SIRIUS XM must pay copyright music royalties to music
companies and music publishers. These royalties have risen dramatically over the past few
years, as a result of decisions of the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB). SIRIUS XM has tried to
keep these fees as low as possible but in the end, the company has very limited influence over
these payments. The FCC decision approving the merger between SIRIUS and XM allows the
company to pass through to Subscribers any federally mandated increases in music royalties
that we must pay, since March 20, 2007. The FCC decision allows us to pass through this fee
increase to our Subscribers and the company has chosen to do this with the U.S. Music Royalty
Fee.
The US Music Royalty Fee will be applied to all music subscriptions that SIRIUS XM offers. The
fee will be implemented on July 29th, 2009. The existing Subscriber base will receive this fee
on their first billing after this date. The fee will be applied to all satellite plans with music content
on a Monthly, Quarterly, Semi-Annual and all Annual Savings Plans. Lifetime Subscribers, who
have purchased prior to July 29th, will never receive the US Music Royalty Fee. Since the online
products are not satellite based they will not incur the U.S. Music Royalty Fee. Once the fee is
introduced on July 29th, any new activation or conversion will include the fee. As we go through
this training, you will gain a better understanding of how this fee is applied and how to explain it
to the Subscribers. We will be going through different scenarios so you can understand why we
are passing this fee onto our Subscribers, how to diffuse irate Subscribers, and how the
Subscriber can truly benefit by adding longer term plans.
• A support group of LCR’s will handle Subscribers calling in response to the US Music
Royalty Fee
The below are the XM and SIRIUS Terms & Conditions (T’s & C’s) including verbiage for
disclosing the US Music Royalty Fee. These Terms & Conditions will ensure that the
Subscriber has been informed about the US Music Royalty Fee that will be introduced starting
July 29th.
Legacy XM T&C’s:
“OK. Mr./Mrs. _______, you’ve made a great decision. We will renew your service for (Insert plan
selection). Your subscription will be subject to the US Music Royalty fee starting July 29th and is
governed by the XM Customer Agreement which you can find on our website. Please be sure to
read it. Thank you very much for your time today and enjoy your XM Satellite Radio! If we can be of
further assistance, please call 1-800-XMRADIO (800-967-2346). Thanks again and have a great
day.”
Legacy SIRIUS T&C’s:
“OK. Mr./Mrs. _______, you’ve made a great decision. We will renew your service for (Insert plan
selection). Your subscription will be subject to the US Music Royalty fee starting July 29th and is
governed by our full Terms & Conditions which you can find on our website; please be sure to read
it. Thank you very much for your time today and enjoy your SIRIUS Satellite Radio! If we can be of
further assistance, please call 888-539-7474. Thanks again and have a great day.” |
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AnonymousXM Average Listener


Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Washington DC 20024-3129 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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any questions here are the answers!
US Music Royalty Fee- FAQ’s
Below are examples questions you may receive from Subscribers regarding the US Music
Royalty Fee. Use Answers below (as verbatim) when answering questions about why
there is a US Music Royalty Fee or costs associated with the US Music Royalty Fee.
What is this US Music Royalty Fee?
Unlike land based radio, both SIRIUS and XM are required to pay copyright music royalties to
recording artists, musicians and recording companies who hold copyrights to lyrics and music.
Why are you increasing your price?
We are not increasing our base price which will remain at $12.95/month for most Subscribers.
Why are you charging me this fee?
US Music Royalty rights were established by Congress and are a product of the copyright ACT,
the copyright royalty board which sets the rates SIRIUS XM must pay the music industry has
increased the rates dramatically. Unfortunately we can no longer absorb these increased costs.
Who makes up the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB)?
The Copyright Royalty Board consists of three Copyright Royalty Judges who determine rates
and terms for copyright statutory licenses and make determinations on distribution of statutory
license royalties collected by the United States Copyright Office of the Library of Congress. The
Board, made up of three permanent copyright royalty judges, was created under the Copyright
Royalty and Distribution Reform Act of 2004, These administrative judges are appointed by the
Librarian of Congress
Why does it cost so much?
The Copyright Royalty Board which sets the rates SIRIUS XM must pay the music industry
have increased the rates dramatically. Unfortunately the Company can no longer absorb these
increased costs and must pass them on to subscribers as a US Music Royalty Fee.
Is there any way to avoid this charge?
Absolutely, for our Subscribers who previously purchased a long term plan, we will continue to
absorb these costs until the next renewal date. If you renew and extend your current
subscription before July 29, 2009 we will continue to absorb these increased royalty costs until
your next renewal date. I can tell you about some our great savings plans.
FCC Ruling stated you can't raise your price, why are you doing it?
This fee is consistent with our commitment not to raise the base price of specific service plans
for three years after the merger. The FCC did however permit us to add this fee to our price
beginning July 29, 2009.
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Version: June 2009
This document contains the confidential and proprietary information of SIRIUS XM Satellite Radio. This
information is provided for training purposes only. Disclosure, duplication, removal from authorized work
locations, or use of any or all of this content without express written permission of SIRIUS XM Satellite Radio is
prohibited. Improper use is subject to litigation or prosecution.
US Music Royalty Fee
How does this relate to the March Increase?
It is unrelated; the US Music Royalty Fee is to recover royalty cost increases that are outside of
the control of SIRIUS XM
I just locked in for MRD, why are you increasing it again?
If you purchased a multi-month plan to lock in a lower price or to retain free streaming, the US
Music Royalty Fee will not affect you until the next renewal date for the Plan you purchased.
Who gets the money?
The US Music Royalty Fee will be used to offset payments from SIRIUS XM to the music
industry
Do you foresee any changes in the fee?
The Copyright Royalty Board sets the fees that SIRIUS XM is required to pay. The fee is
expected to increase by one half percent per year through 2012.
Why did you decide to charge a US Music Royalty Fee rather than adding the increase to
the subscription fee?
The FCC order requires that we detail the royalty increase for our Subscribers
Why is the US MRF taxed?
Under applicable tax regulations, it has been determined that the US MRF is a taxable charge.
I only listen to news and talk radio, so why should I be charged the US MRF?
I understand, however it would be impossible to calculate the US Music Royalty Fee based on
individual listening patterns of our Subscribers
You recently increased the price of my second radio by $2.00. Now you are adding a US
MRF of $.97. Isn’t this too much?
The discounted second radio price of $8.99 is still a 30% savings over our standard fee. The
addition of a US Music Royalty Fee is necessary due to the dramatic increase in royalties that
we have been forced to pay the music industry.
Was I paying this fee previously as part of my subscription price and now am I paying for
it separately?
Until July 29, 2009 the FCC required SIRIUS XM to pay the royalty increases, however the order
provided the ability for us to pass along these royalty cost increases beginning July 29, 2009
If I have an A La Carte subscription am I only paying the fee on the music channels?
That’s a great question, SIRIUS –XM is obligated to pay the US Music Royalty Fee based on
the content available in packages, unfortunately we are not able to customize the fee for
individual Subscribers
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Version: June 2009
This document contains the confidential and proprietary information of SIRIUS XM Satellite Radio. This
information is provided for training purposes only. Disclosure, duplication, removal from authorized work
locations, or use of any or all of this content without express written permission of SIRIUS XM Satellite Radio is
prohibited. Improper use is subject to litigation or prosecution.
US Music Royalty Fee
US Music Royalty Fee- FAQ’s
Is there a way to reduce this cost--can I switch my subscription package to mostly music
You may switch to a mostly music package, which will save you $.45 a month in US Music
Royalty Fees, but if you do that, you will be giving up over xx channels (different for SIRIUS and
XM) of great programming. However, let me tell you about some of our great savings plan
which will allow you to delay the US Music Royalty Fee for the term of that plan.
I have an online radio subscription; do I pay a royalty fee on that?
No, the music royalties associated with satellite delivery and internet deliver y of music content
are different. The royalties associated with internet listening is absorbed in the subscription price
I have 2 subscriptions a Best of and a SIRIUS Everything why is the fee the same on both
subscriptions
The US Music Royalty Fee is based on music; the channels included in the Best of portion of
your package do not include large amounts of music, so no US Music Royalty fee is due on that
portion of your subscription. |
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Mike Nassour skeptic about ALL radio...


Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 1012

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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I think that most of us who do enjoy the service, won't even notice this (music Royalty fee), but, I'd agree to it, so, no big woop....... |
If Sirius had imposed a 15.24% increase in the base rate, people would be calling for blood in the streets outside the New York offices. That is exactly what has been imposed. I'm not saying blame Sirius...far from it. But don't think for a moment that this is no big deal. There are always a lot of people who are ready to disconnect, those who potentially are part of the "churn". $2/month extra is just one more reason to drop.
Quite honestly, if I knew this was going to the artists, I wouldn't mind. But we all know this money will be used by sleazy record company dweebs to buy coke and prostitutes.  _________________ ---------------------------------------------------------
In an era of free promotion, only the record industry could have a nine year recession....Jerry Del Colliano |
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CTGuy The King of Contrary

Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 8221 Location: Meriden, CT 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Nassour wrote: | | maxx2002 wrote: |
I think that most of us who do enjoy the service, won't even notice this (music Royalty fee), but, I'd agree to it, so, no big woop....... |
If Sirius had imposed a 15.24% increase in the base rate, people would be calling for blood in the streets outside the New York offices. That is exactly what has been imposed. I'm not saying blame Sirius...far from it. But don't think for a moment that this is no big deal. There are always a lot of people who are ready to disconnect, those who potentially are part of the "churn". $2/month extra is just one more reason to drop.
Quite honestly, if I knew this was going to the artists, I wouldn't mind. But we all know this money will be used by sleazy record company dweebs to buy coke and prostitutes.  |
Except the part that goes to Sirius XM. That will go up Gary Parsons' and Mel Karmazin's noses. |
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ElJay Extreme Fan

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 209

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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15.3% fee on my music-only subscription? Uhh, you've got to be kidding. What next, is SiriusXM going to charge us an electricity fee? How about an employee healthcare cost fee? Music royalties are part of their costs and should be built into the base rate. That's like going to Amazon MP3 and they decide that in addition to the $.99 for the song, they also need to charge an extra $.15 fee to actually license the music they're selling  |
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maxx2002 I live here.


Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 1130 Location: Oakland, Sacrameto, Stockton Ca, Los Angeles and sometimes Albuquerque/Santa Fe. NM 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Nassour wrote: | | maxx2002 wrote: |
I think that most of us who do enjoy the service, won't even notice this (music Royalty fee), but, I'd agree to it, so, no big woop....... |
If Sirius had imposed a 15.24% increase in the base rate, people would be calling for blood in the streets outside the New York offices. That is exactly what has been imposed. I'm not saying blame Sirius...far from it. But don't think for a moment that this is no big deal. There are always a lot of people who are ready to disconnect, those who potentially are part of the "churn". $2/month extra is just one more reason to drop.
Quite honestly, if I knew this was going to the artists, I wouldn't mind. But we all know this money will be used by sleazy record company dweebs to buy coke and prostitutes.  |
Record company dweebs still buy & use Coke and Prostitutes
I thought that shit went out with the 80s
I already pay at least 2 to 3 dollars in TAX, just for the service, each month or whatever it cost for my 3 month sub, and when that
is up, I'll be paying 15.3% more just to listen to music channels?
UNBELIEVABLE They should put that into the activation fee, for whatever sub you get, and never tell us, that way we wouldn't even know about this fee......right? _________________ * XMP3 * XM EVERYTHING |
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Ryan Site Admin


Joined: 14 Aug 2002 Posts: 24291 Location: St Louis, MO 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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While I do agree with XM passing on the additional royalty rate increase to the customers, I don't agree with the amount they are passing along. The additional fees are 6.4 cents.
Even if they were to charge us the full 6.5% royalty fee instead of just the increased amount, that still only comes to 84 cents per month. They are pocketing the remaining $1.14, which is NOT a tax or fee. They were authorized to pass along royalty rate increases, not additional fees.
Obviously, there's a loophole in the official FCC wording that allows them to do this. Kevin Martin and his FCC posse working hard to protect the US consumers. _________________ The one and only, XMFan.com!
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