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heywire
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 Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: #$@#$ TimeTrax |
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I just have to vent a bit...
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
TimeTrax has ruined the XMPCR forum... I am so tired of seeing "how can I do ... with timetrax". You cheap bastards, go buy some cds and quit ripping half-ass quality mp3's from XM.
Sorry, just had to do it. |
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djkraze
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:39 pm Post subject: TT PCR usage |
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| WOW? TT is the only reason I purchased my PCR on ebay for ($350.00). Now, for a serious question-- are there really PCR users who use it "without" TT? If so, im guessing its only around 10-15% owners/users of PCR whom dont use TT? Any thoughts? |
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XM in Dallas
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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It's safe to say that most XMPCR users don't use TimeTrax. I think your percentage is probably reversed.
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tommyxm
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I hear there is a new program coming out called Freetrax which will be an upgrade from timetrax and free! |
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Kingtut
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Music is every where, music is in the air.
Whenever I turn, it is there.
Now, if that is not enough, do I have to pack it and store it and mange it. There is no time for this, at any moment there is something there to listen to from AM, FM, cable to Sat. Gee, that is not enough, we have to save it and rip it just in case a nocular (a La Push) attack wipes out all music.
Ryan, please get in touch with National Security, we have to create MVs
The King
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PCRCommander
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I hear there is a new program coming out called Freetrax which will be an upgrade from timetrax and free! |
There already is a free, Open Source program that does everything TimeTrax does and substantially more. It frustrates me that more people don't know about it. It's called PCRCommander. The UI is fairly similar to TimeTrax, there is no product registration or anything required, unlike TimeTrax. It supports recording to OGG, WAV, MP3, VBR MP3, as well as AAC, and a user-defined setting for other codecs, handles scheduled show recordings as well as track-split channel recording.
It doesn't have grab/kill lists yet, because I've been working on bug fixing and cleanup before I start adding more features, but this will probably appear at some point too (if that's a big deal for you). It's quite stable in the 0.2.3 release, though there are still some minor bugs. I use it both for regular listening, occasionally recording some songs, and recording my favorite shows at scheduled times every day.
Also, it has useful features like channel searching, the excellent related search sidebar and more. I'm sure there are reasons to use TimeTrax, but I can't think of any right now.  I guess I'm biased. |
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tommyxm
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds very cool ! |
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sonnik
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| XM in Dallas wrote: | | It's safe to say that most XMPCR users don't use TimeTrax. I think your percentage is probably reversed. |
This is very likely true. |
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heywire
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't get it... the quality of the recordings from XM would have to be junk... how could it be worth the disk space seeing as XM crossfades songs together... Might as well start recording FM for all I am concerned... I guess I just don't get it...
Oh, and by the way djkraze.. thanks for supporting the inflation on ebay.. I SOLD my xmpcr on ebay for over $300... I just couldn't pass up any sucker paying over 6 times retail And for what? Medocre recordings that could have been cd quality rips from cd's at the library lol... |
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evi6
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 am Post subject: |
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I am at a loss here. For the record, let me state that I am a user and fan of timetrax.
I use timetrax - because, like the developer, there were some things on xm that were on at times, where I was either alseep, or at work where unfortunately I cannot get xm. Timeshifting, when first available to xm in the form of this software - to me, was a wonderful thing.
I'm not living below the poverty level, but also, I'm not that wealthy. Therefore, I try to maximize what I'm paying for. When I'm recording items i'd like to hear, because I'm asleep, or at work when they're on the air... I am not looking for the best quality cd ripped of a song. I'm looking to hear something I've paid for. I hear it, then I delete it.... sadly enough, I don't have much space on my pc, so I am not accumulating a massive mp3 library, nor do I care to.
When timetrax first came out, it was loved by many here, and questioned by just as many. At the heart however, was just something new, something developed for a product that we all love - xm radio. Ok, so the guy who developed it, thought he'd make some money. Go figure... he put the effort into it so why not?
Now - there's a free version. will I use it? no. why? Because I choose to support the pioneer. I don't understand however, why there is this need to blast timetrax. Why can't we, as a community, just accept the development that's going on? You don't have to love it, but why would you criticize? It's human nature to develop and progess as time passes. That very nature, is why we're not running around naked right now - or perhaps in jungle attire grunting instead of typing maddly on our computers.
Is it that the staunch critics are just jealous that they aren't the ones who thought of it first and made some money?
Just some food for thought... |
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PCRCommander
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Pioneer? Don't you get it? The hooks (song boundary callbacks) for this have been in the free software, like JXM, for ages. The only reason nobody released software to do this was a gentleman's agreement among the XMPCR hobbyist developers that XM would be unhappy if anybody did. I only released PCRCommander after the XMPCR cancellation announcement was made, at which point I figured it no longer mattered. The recording functionality itself is trivial, it took a few hours to implement a first draft of it.
I have nothing against the TimeTrax folks at all, except when they try to act like they did something exceptionally innovative. They did something that nobody else wanted to do for legal reasons, not because they were the only ones smart enough to know how to do it. Like I said, song metadata is all there, so adding recording and trapping the metadata takes almost no effort. In part, the bravery of the TimeTrax folks has to do with the fact that the developer is (was?) based in Canada, which gives him a certain degree of freedom from reprise under the US legal system that not all of us (myself included) have. |
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sonnik
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| evi6 wrote: | | Because I choose to support the pioneer. I don't understand however, why there is this need to blast timetrax. |
I have to disagree with the pioneer statement. There were a number of discussions on this board about timeshifting software WAY prior to timetrax being unleashed. We talked about it a bit, but many threads were deleted.
As I stated here and much like Commander says, a Gentleman's agreement kind of stopped some of the initial developers from discussing and or pursuing it. As the music comes in from "Line In" - one developer made a second stand alone program to handle time shifting.
I've personally used cron jobs on my Linux system to handle recording shows on a schedule for about a year. I always figured that anyone smart enough would figure out how to do this stuff on their own, so I never really tend to discuss some of this stuff unless I'm asked - out of respect to Ryan - who runs this site.
There's a whole lot of innovation still waiting to be discussed with the XMPCR - but I respect Ryan, so I won't discuss it here. I'll just say I have a PC sitting in the corner running Linux, with a collection of applications that does nothing but help me enjoy my XMPCR.
I've said it before - that Timetrax does serve a purpose. People have requested its features for a long time. I don't think people are knocking it, but to them - it's presented as a method of steeling MP3's - you can thank your friends at CNET, Slashdot, etc. for that. I think those people just like the variety of music that XM gives you. Since I've started listening to XM, I find myself listening to my collection of music a lot less.
I'm someone who sees more benefit it catching "Coast to Coast AM" or the recent Presedential debates at my convenience. But my Linux solution has always worked best.
I don't think anyone is really knocking Timetrax, but they only see its benefit as a small percentage of what the XMPCR has to offer as a whole. |
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mattbell
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:45 am Post subject: Timetrax made me sub |
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| I would have never became a subscriber if not for Timetrax. I'm sure a good amount of others did the same. I'm sure that's why all the PCR's disappeared so quickly. |
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powerondude
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I just downloaded and tested PCRCommander with the new USBDirect (DirectPCR). It works great - I just started playing with it, but it seems like a nice piece of work. A good alternative if you don't want to pay for TimeTrax.
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heywire
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I do have to say... for those of you who use TimeTrax FOR timeshifting (tivo-style)... I can respect that... and I can borderline respect wanting to take shows with you on your mp3 player... I've done it, so I can't say that much about it... I just used seperate software, and I didn't chop the shows into individual mp3's based on metadata... I guess my frustration comes in seeing the 238479324 other people wanting a free music collection at the expense of every other XMPCR developer that has to tip-toe around anything to do with the XMPCR for now on.
BTW, the recording TT does has been available since day 1 with the stock software and TotalRecorder... Not exactly a pioneer, just a man with grapefruit sized balls.
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